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U.S. pilots find high demand, high pay overseas

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Americans signing on to pilot jetliners in the Middle East, China and India can make well over $100,000 a year, plus add-ons like housing. (news.blogs.cnn.com) Mehr...

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tarbaby
phil gibson 2
If you go over to a third world country, such as India....and parts of Africa and other parts of Asia, except China, then you are doing it solely for the money, which at times is difficult to collect. I've been there...so I know. There are no Freedoms over there and security is much lacking. The money is not worth it, especially if you are a family person. You will live in a compound area, eat their food, obey their laws, and do not fraternize with the common population....if you know what I mean. Do not go out in the streets alone, especially at night. You can carry no weapons for protection, but they will. Air traffic control is an experience to be experienced in India especially. Good times!
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 2
Sounds like the hell some of our troops go through in certain areas of the world except they have weapons and can't use them
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
If you are a Soldier of Fortune type......it would be an experience. Takes all the "Fun" out of it ....doesn't it?
mikem132
Mike Mandell 1
Not sure I'd lump India in there with some African countries, etc. English is widely spoken there, many things in American culture came from there (via Colonial England), and they have a real democracy. I think India and China like to think of themselves as "emerging" and not "Third World".
budai2
George Haksch 1
India maybe emerging country, but China!? Any country under Communist control is NOT emerging. Perhaps the leaders are!
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
George, why are they making all the products we buy here in the U.S? And we are buying all or at least most of it. I believe they call it NAFTA......which we created. Why do we keep borrowing money from them? I don't like it....but, it is what it is! They're emerging.....like it or not. Bisiness aviation in that region is booming, and there is some significant monies to be made there.....not bad!
dred44
Edward Hoff 1
Phil NAFTA has no working agreement in China. It stands for North American Free Trade Agreement, We trade with China cause they have money, and want what we have 777's 787's, and the like.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Ed,
I mispoke.....sorry. Yes, they do have lots of money and a ton of folks....that buy our Aircraft....made in the USA. We do have the best Aircraft in the world!
OhanaUnited
OhanaUnited 1
Speaking as a Chinese who lived in Hong Kong for over 10 years, I can tell you that security in China is not as frightening as you said. As long as you look foreign to them (particularly your height, build or skin colour), they won't mess with foreigners because the sentencing for their crimes will be much harsher for getting foreigners (and most likely also embassies) involved.
Chellappan
Phil - I can assure you India is not like that. You would know if you have been there.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Sri,
I have lived and have flown in India. This is a forum....I was just giving my personal and my observation of the Aviation Industry as a whole in India. I never meant to degrade India itself. India and it's people are truly very nice people and very courteous. My choice of words and opinions was not intended to offend you. Aviation is just different and interesting in India. Please accept my apology if I offended you. It was an Adventure.....but it was ALWAYS safe!
VIBHA
VIBHA T K 1
So Phil,

You did come to a third world country as you perceive India to be, laboured around here (cheap or not) and did make some money. Why werent you able to feed yourself in your country ? Was it that there were not enough jobs there or you found it more lucrative to feed yourself to some good food here??
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
It is a whole different ballgame! Get out the playbook! It really is quite an adventure. You must remain assertive. Never let them see you sweat! Be a Captain!
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Touche
budai2
George Haksch 1
Not all the glitter is gold...
cm5299
Chuck Me 1
Job opening:
http://discussions.flightaware.com/general-aviation/flying-job-available-t14733.html
kaulh
hemant kaul 1
phil gibson....considering your claims to have traveled the world etc, your history is lacking and vague at best. How did America and American lives influence India's economic or overall global position today?? PLEASE explain this!! If India and other countries DID NOT provide the cheap labor where would the american corporations be then? The american consumer would have to get another part-time (on top of the 2 jobs that he or she already has!) to pay for all the fancy goods sold at Bestbuy Another thing...no freedom in India??? have you lived in India, in any of the metro cities?? My friend... you do not know what you are talking about AND carrying fire-arms for protection, are you from the wild west??? maybe you can get away with that in some parts of central africa but India has laws against that...doesnt USA also have laws against that...just realized something...you are a Republican most likely...some more points against you. I fly for an airline in the UAE and the american guys we have are nothing like you...they are more like citizens of the world, you my friend are a resident of nonametown, US of A. I am an Indian, First Officer flying in UAE and understand what kind of inexperienced and some very young FOs you may have flown with, but unfortunately I have also worked as a flt instr in the States and will say that some of my fellow instr's (euro-descent americans) had no business teaching others...command of the english language... poor (eventhough it is their mother tongue..????), flt skills average, nothing special, knowledge of global affairs (even the basics) nil, but they did like their football and friday night happy hour!!!!! gosh i could go on Mr gibson, but choose not to because I do like USA, i am a permanent resident, however cant tolerate non sense comments from some-what traveled individuals like you. Ever heard the phrase ignorant-american??? well, unfortunately you have contributed to that thought process...(and ATC being an experience in India??? just another vague comment of yours...they do just fine).
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Yes, I have lived and flown in India and many other parts of the world.......this is a forum and I was giving an OPINION and my personal observation. I am sure that the UAE is very progressive in all aspects of which you appeared to be making a comparison to India. There really is no comparison. You do have a right to your OPINION, as I do. And I respect that. But......this has become a Political discussion...and this is not the right time or place for this posting. I do apologize for some of the remarks I made. I'm really proud of my country! Let's all have a beer....and shake hands and move on. We are all on the same planet.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Boy, did you hit a nerve with Hemant and Vibha! I would say that if they don't like what they perceive here, don't ever come back. I wonder why these other countries want pilots trained and experienced elsewhere? Think about it. The recent crash in India was a tragedy and Captained by an American. However, the United States still has by far the best record for aviation safety. We provide the world with well trained aviators. You only have to look at our flight schools. There are many foreign students. My former airline had a good percentage of foreign passport holders. As an instructor, I had to verify their papers. I know first hand. It seems like every time I got together with fellow pilots, we had a great time talking flying. I guess we better leave every other thing out of the conversation.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Did I say India? I meant Africa. Sorry Hemant and Vibha.
mschacht44
Mike Schacht 1
High paying jobs for pilots, but I wonder if the maintenance on the jets they fly is being neglected. I do not work in the industry, but I imagine that foreign carriers do not have the same maintenance standards as the United States carriers do.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 7
You need to wake up, bad maintenance and corner cutting happens right here in the US!!!
mschacht44
Mike Schacht 1
dred44
Edward Hoff 1
I'm not sure the maintenance standards in the u.s. are the same they once were, there are a hell of a lot of great machinist's out there out of work.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
The Maintenance Standards in the U.S. are the Best in the world.....no doubt! There are also a lot of Maintenance personnel out of work as well.....by no fault of their own.

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
Are you contradicting yourself, all in one sentence???

[This poster has been suspended.]

THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
I think I get it now
gleach
gleach 0
So your just throwing that out there?
tarbaby
phil gibson -1
Hey Brady.....You didn't finish your comment....I guess
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 1
Given the choice of living in a camper in a parking lot at LAX or in an upscale apartment in China, I might chose the latter. I would get used to setting my watch back 40 years when off duty.
genethemarine
Gene spanos 1
If USA airline maintenance has taken cost cutting measures - then what airline would you suggest to the flying public that remains the lead dog in making sure that no rags are stuffed into the engines to soak up excessive oil ??? these days....
Thanks
cking336
Who won't go for more pay and better work condition, I know I would.
VIBHA
VIBHA T K 1
I have read the various comments posted and thought I should respond to some amusing read. First of all let us all be very clear that any opportunity that exists be it in any country is primarily for the money and therafter the fun depending upon where one is working. Phil Gibson, money at times is difficult to collect ant any place. I have an employer from the US who is skirting the issue of paying me. Besides, is one not aware of the living conditions before he or she emabarks on a job. ? In which way is Air traffic control in India an experience ? Are these conditions not prevalent in other developed countries? Come of it charlie ! Coming to the MD 83 crash the responsibility rests on all cockpit crew the commander of which was an American. How does that make the (oh Lord) Indian co pilot or the Indonesian Engineer any worse? or are you suggesting that it was these two who are responsible for the crash and not the godly American ?? Or is it that there are no crashes happening in the US with the high profile air controllers or elsewhere ? One more pointer to the Manglore crash in India where the commander was from an East Europoean country who was warned by his (Oh Lord) Indian co-pilot who had warned him to execute a go around because he was overshooting and instead chose to land to disastrous concequences.

Airlines cut cost everywhere, be it any country; it is a cut throat competition out there. Yes, I understand we cannot go below minima to operate flights jeopardising them, but to nail it on third world countries and their expertise is not in good taste. I am an Indian and let me tell you that we in most countries are your back bone to success be it in software development or evening designing these flying machines. Let me also warn you, it is these third world countries that are going to feed you in future given the economic conditions in the US or Europe. You then will not mind any of the so called working conditions mentioned when it comes to feeding yourself.


Vibhaker is a media professional with a passion for flying and until recently was in Afghanistan advising a TV channel there.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Vibha,
I see that you are not a Professional Pilot but a pilot maybe non the less. What I was discussing as far as an "Indian" pilot.....is that the Indian Pilots I have personally flown with that were my copilots were for the most part....not all..rather lacking in airmanship capabilities and judgement. And I also take issue with you saying "the godly American". What do you mean by that description? and what is this warning me about how grateful we as Americans should be to these third world countries. If it wasn't for America and American lives you wouldn't have the position to service our needs. The third world countries, such as your India, depend on America to provide "cheap labor" to make the products. Where do you think the technology came from in the first place. The majority of your countries population is dirt poor. You sure spread the wealth. Once again, if it were not for the United States and other"developed countries.....you would not exist as an up and coming economy. Oh, by the way ,why are your state owned Airlines going broke.....of course that is not unique to your country......we have our problems too. Don't bite the hand that FEEDS you!
VIBHA
VIBHA T K 1
Phil,
Lets not be judgemental about Indian Pilots by "your perceptions". My reference to the godly American is because you infer to be superior in "airman capabilities and judgement". This will show up when you handle an aircraft and not because you belong to any particular country. Indian pilots are are far competent than most worldwide.

America is dependent not only on cheap labor to make products but also for the superior mental faculties of the Indians. Much of your development in may areas have people from India, China and many other so called third world countries running the show there.

Yes, Im not a professional Pilot; I am an ordinary lay man who can talk much even on your profession simply because Ive had the interest. But that surely dosent make me a better pilot than you. !

Last but not the least, if you go into the history of airlines going bust, you would find more there than here. Wait until some wealthy Indians come and bail you out.
genethemarine
Gene spanos 1
Stay safe to all!
In the air and on the ground!
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Been to a Citation Service Center lately? Quality Maintenance, but a bit expensive. Airline maintenance is also Top Notch!
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
migrant workers; you gotta love em
TWA55
TWA55 1
I hope the acrft are maintained to standards, or the money means nothing
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
In some of the countries, maintenance is, what should I say....hmmmm....maintenance?? No real oversight by any agency....because as a whole the Agency's are not knowledgable of the maintenance procedures. They are third world countries. They have to pay more money for crews to get them to fly their equipment. The MD83 crash the other day in Africa is an example of flying "conditions" in that part of the world. The Captain was an American, the co-pilot was Indian( Oh Lord ) and with an Indonisian engineer(mechanic). there were problems with both engines from what I heard.
Possible fuel contamination......it is possible in that part of the world....but speculative in nature. I don't know what weather conditions existed on it's flight path to the airport....which crashed 5 miles short. Maybe a double bird strike?
Both engines just don't quit without a reason such as maybe, fuel starvation, hail, or maybe bird strike. It is to good an aircraft to crash without an obvious reason. The MD-83 had a full Pax load.
It is NOT worth the Money no matter what. If that is your primary motivation....you better listen to that guy up on your shoulder! Like it's been said......if you are not sure of the outcome....DON'T DO IT!
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Well the godly AMERICAN that was flying in the so called THIRD WORLD happened to be shit canned from Spirit. This country needs to get off its high horse. Cut your skin, one blood...
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Thrustt........I wouldn't use Spirit as an example of a Prime Airline. I consider them a second rate Airline as far service and customer satisfaction. Who told you he got shit canned anyway. Maybe he quit? Or was furloughed? The guys dead. Give him a break. Lagos, Nigeria is third world. Have you been there? It is not "so called" as you state......it is third world!
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
I don't understand also what you meant by saying "this country needs to get off it's high horse??" Maybe off it's "White Horse"?? Thrust, are you even a Pilot? Makes me wonder.
captainjman
Jason Feldman 1
I think it's amazing that people have a problem with you speaking your text, but nobody seems to have a problem with the way they speak about Americans. It's trend that hasn't just started, it's been going around for some time. It doesn't make you a racist if you happen to have an opinion that doesn't think highly about conditions outside of our own country. There's obviously room for improvement but that doesn't mean that you were saying that you don't like those people. People are just too damn sensitive. Just imagine if we would throw up such an upheaval every time something didn't go our way or somebody said something about us. Thanks for the heads up about the jobs overseas, I'm sure it isn't horrible, but I'm guessing is not the best eat. If the environment was excellent like it is here they wouldn't have to offer so much money make people go over there. I also noticed that that other guy said that proms collecting money are common. That doesn't sound very good to me. My paychecks come on time every other week and that's the way I like it to be when I work somewhere.
captainjman
Jason Feldman 1
PS - sorry about the grammatical and spelling errors. I am using voice recognition on my iPad. Sometimes it doesn't exactly type what I say and I get a little lazy and hit submit before I proofread by accident every now and then too.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
I've already done my tours......I thing I shall pass.......it is an ADVENTURE to say the least
dred44
Edward Hoff 1
The U.S.& Canada, have always had those so called extra pilots that were available for one reason, or another. Maybe a broken rule, or like in China before our entry in to WW2, Flying the hump, or the Flying Tigers, well now we have 2,3,& 4, holer Drivers that want a ride, and there ain't any room here right now. Use it, or lose it when it comes to those heavy skills. Just pick a place where the foods good, and you can trust the banks.
genethemarine
Gene spanos 1
No response here sends a message that - none of the USA based airline maint is any good either !
tarbaby
phil gibson 0
Middle East is Good....China is better.......but India? .....forget about it!
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Got an old former company pilot friend who communicates on Face Book and flies for an Indian airline. There are also several who fly into and out of India for American companies. Huge air pollution problem. Heat and humidity is almost intolerable. Gotta like Indian food. Their flight standards are different. Language is sometimes a problem. He gets back to the states every so often. Pay is good. That's the ONLY reason to work there.

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