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The global reach and impact of Boeing’s campaign against Bombardier

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It would seem that the spat Boeing set off by claiming it’s 737 MAX is threatened and even damaged by the Bombardier C Series has set off several waves across the globe. This is an excellent example of just how global commercial aerospace has become. (www.airinsight.com) Mehr...

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canuck44
canuck44 15
Boeing's big mistake was going after a company doing business in a market they cannot serve and thereby showing he world their nasty and unethical side. There will be two outcomes: first they will have lost sales in non-commercial business and are likely to be shown the door by Delta. Secondly, they have put forth a visage which will make companies and governments leery as to whether they can do business with Boeing without getting a knife in the back.
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 0
I don't agree that Delta would show Boeing the door. As I see it Delta bean counters see a need to compete in smaller markets where a C series would be useful. They are also aware that Boeing's fly higher and faster and have a better return on investment than other large airplanes.

I think the days of a strong autocratic CEO running an airline are over. It is now strictly business and corporate culture being driven by financial committee's.
cyberjet
cyberjet 4
Focus on the real prize folks. As a Canadian, it's easy to find their action reprehensible, but Boeing's real motivation has little to do with Bombardier and the C Series and everything to do with keeping China at bay. One could easily argue that if Bombardier hadn't been in so much hot water over program losses on the C Series - thus making them a prime target for a foreign takeover - this would have remained a non-issue. It was scarier for Boeing to have a weak competitor with a great product than a strong one.
23allkimm
Randall Kimm 2
I believe that your China comment deserves serious attention. I may sound hysterical but what if they start building cheap Boeing 737 knock-offs and sell them cheaper than Boeing. I distrust all Communist Chinese intentions. Up until now this Wasn't a concern
now it is. These people will lie, cheat and steal to attain their murky foreign policy in any country at any cost. Maybe they can build a better knock-off F-18.
cycleward
anthony butera 1
They have Beechcraft, Continental,Superior airports, and maybe even Cessna and Lycoming. They want it all for sure.
canuck44
canuck44 2
If in fact that was Boeing's reasoning the entire Boardroom would have their heads planted in the first half of their colons. They were willing to give Bombardier a wee corner of the market they currently hold but keep them from major output by lack of capital.
Transferring the technology to the Chinese would be to lose that entire market which is likely to be huge in the next ten years. They could product C-100 and C-300's to saturate their own market where new rules require the airlines to service secondary destinations.Then there would be lots of time and capital to build the C-500 or C-700 which would directly compete with their 737 and beyond the range of their political friends.
Remember in China, the rules are determined in Beijing and can be very flexible to support Chinese industry.
WhiteKnight77
WhiteKnight77 2
I could see an issue for Boeing if they continued to make the 717 series of planes, but with an ~150 aircraft with the 737, they really stuck their foot where the sun doesn't shine and it could cost them big in the long run. Could the US lose Boeing? Hopefully not, but it is possible. This is the sad part of mergers, the loss of some companies that made great aircraft.
WhiteKnight77
WhiteKnight77 2
That should be ~150 passenger aircraft.
23allkimm
Randall Kimm 2
The most important outcome of the Boeing and Embraer unconsionable interference in a technological development of an excellent design. Yes, and I see a beautiful C-Series 500. Airlines don't want to have that umpteenth sales pitch about the new 737. It's old technology when another manufacturer is offering a fresh and comfortable aircraft technology has reduced noise and carbon polution. It's revolutionary design is now attracting the other customers. Instead of being told these factual points Boeing and Embraer sought to underhandedly remove and destroy our aviation sector. All Embraer jets should be dumped by Canada immediately. Besides they are cramped uncomfortable aircraft unfortunately are already obsolete. The 737 is a recycled machine sold with non-essential items for the aircraft. If SWISS & AIR BALTIC are raving about the comfort of this aircraft. Other CEO's see a beautiful Next-gen technology utilized in all Bombardier C-series Aircraft. Boeing may have done some damage, however we believe they have done a lot of damage but it is not irreparable. It was a low blow...don't act so surprised.
cycleward
anthony butera 1
Boeing needs to build what the market wants and needs. GM had a similar stance until the government bailed them out. Now they are building what the market wants and doing much better for it.
cyberjet
cyberjet 1
They have been. The myriad of 737 variants are all because of one customer who demanded fleet commonality. Remember that the 737 NG was supposed to be the 787, then when one large customer refused to buy it because of pilot training costs, it magically morphed into a “new” 737.
23allkimm
Randall Kimm -3
NO YOU ARE WRONG. BOEING AND EMBRAER ARE RUNNING A GAME CALLED RPICE FIXING AND TELL ME ITS RIGHT. YOU NEED TO BE DEPROGRAMED. CANADA WAS NEVER A THREAT TO THEIR MARKET. IN FACT EMBRAER WENT TO THHE WTO AND BUNGING (sorry for the typo)Went to the CROOKED TRADE COMMISION IN WASHINGTON. BOEING AND EMBRAER JUST DEMONSTRATED THEIR ILLEGAL PRICE FIXING SCHEME. I DON'T THINK THAT BOEING GOT THE MESSAGE. AIRBUS WILL BE GOING TO THE WORLD COURT TO RESOLVE THE MESS BOEING MADE AS UN-NECESSARILY CREATED IN AMERICA USED TO BE OUR CLOSEST FRIEND...NOT EVER AGAIN. THIS IS A TYPICAL OVEREACTION THAT HAVE TRUMPS DIRTY TRICKS DEPARTMENT CONCOCTED THIS GLOBALLY,THE WORLD JUST SAW A SERIOUS CRIME. WE CAN PLAY DIRTY OPs ON YOU TOO MAYBE HYDRO C TURNED OFF DONS POWER aFOR THE HOLIDAYS ON THE NEW ENGLSND POWER GRID? BUT WE ARE CIVILIZED HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO HEAR AN ANGRGY DON WILL GET YINGRUDEAU AND SERIOSLY CALLING HIS CELL BECAUSE NOT IN CONTROL HIMSELF SHAKING WITH RAGE. SPEAKING TO SOME POOR INTERN TO SPEAK TO WITH THE PMO. HE GETS MUCH WORSE CAUGHT-UP IN AN INTERACTIVE VOICE SYSTEM. BERSERK WITH RAGE HE DEMANDS TO INVADE CANADA. THE KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE SHOULD BE DIVERTED EAST AWAY FROM AMERICA. FINALLY HE ORDERS CANADA BOMBED INTO THE STONEAGE (ONE OF HIS SPEECHES IN A RALLY REGARDING ISLAM). HE ISN'T PREPARED FOR WHAT HAPPENS NEXT... ALL HE GETS IS. "THANK YOU FOR CALLING THE PMO's OFFICE. HE IS IN GATINEAU AND WILL NOT RETURN TILL JANUARY 12th. DO FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHAY THE IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY IN CANADA. SORRY TO INFORM HOW AMERICA REEMED US IN THE 60's DIEFUNBLUNDER OREDERED THE AVRO ARROW AT THE BEHEST OF THE CIA. YOUR MONKEYS
US WITH THE USELESS BOMARC AND MCDONNELS F-101 VOODOO. YOU RUINED MANY KEY ECONOMIES AROUND THE WORLD.PEOPLE DISLIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU BULLY EVERY NATION YOU ENCOUNTER. THE GAME IS LONG OVER. WE WILL NEVER LET BOEING IN OUR COUNTRY AGAIN. THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO TRY AND OPEN A KFC IN PYONGYANG FOR ITS FAT PSYCHOTIC DICTATOR AND HIS TOADIES.
FOR THE ELITES ONLY. WE NOW KNOW YOU ARE A JUST A BUSINESS PARTNER. MAYBE ALLY BUT CERTAINLY NOT FRIENDS NOW OR EVER. THE UNITED STATES MIGHT BE AN ALLY, BUT CERTAINLY NOT FRIENDS NOW OR EVER. YOU JUST BURNED YOUR LAST BRIDGE. WE ARE NOT EVEN FRIENDS,JUST A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS TILTED FOR YOUR BENEFITK. A REAL FRIEND LIKE THE UK, LITHUANIA, SWITZERLAND AND LITTLE BUSINESS ACROSS ASIA WHO DEPEND ON TTHESE JOBS TO EKE OUT A LIVING. LAST BUT NOT LEAST. WE WILL HONOUR THEIR CONTRACTS UNLIKE THE DESTABILIZED MAN THAT CURRENTTLY OCCUPYS "THE WHITER HOUSE"...AND I THINK 8 OR 12 MORE MANSIONS.
SIMPLY OUTAGEOUS. YOU PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER WHAT WE DID IN TEHRAM 4 DECADES AGO.
WE ORGANIZED IT FROM START TO FINISH BY A HIGHLY TRAINED GROUP THAT EXIST TO THIS DAY.
ITS TIME F0R AMERICA TO WAKE-UP, IMPEACH TRUMP AND ALL HIS GOONS. NO MORE AMERICA LIKE
THE GOOD OLE DAYS. THATS TIME IS GONE FOREVER. TRY TO ENGAGE WITH REALITY. YOU GUYS TINK YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT THE WORLDS COP. YOU ARE NOT, AND MORPHED INTO THE GLOBAL BULLY.

(SORRY for length and typos, all errors are (mine). Thx. RK.

cyberjet
cyberjet 5
I won’t bother reading your rant because typing in capitals is the internet’s version of yelling. Maybe try again in a civil tone.
23allkimm
Randall Kimm 1
Wasn't yelling. However I respect your point of view. I will not use caps. You have my most sincere apology for all parties offended. That was never my intent
Sometimes I will hit caps and not catch it. Once your over 60 writing and thinking are hard to do. But still a valid correction. RK


Moviela
Ric Wernicke 2
I am sorry, but the above is just unreadable. The fact that it is Brilliant Speculation is beside the point.
23allkimm
Randall Kimm 0
You have my most sincere apologies as well. However, I never ever truely believe that I might be brilliant. My wife laughed herself to sleep.
Best Wishes, RK
corsair2
corsair2 0
I think that "hubris" is a fitting adjective to describe Boeing's course of action here. Agree w/ WhiteKnight77 - Boeing doesn't really have a dog in this fight, unless they're looking 10+ years into the future with the 797.

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kinoworks
Take your politcal garbage somewhere else. Maybe Breitbart.

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